tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post5530162101167224718..comments2023-09-27T05:48:32.690-04:00Comments on The Evangelical Universalist: Will Hitler be Saved?Gregory MacDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06753627679140008475noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-20041115800855267362009-09-21T15:18:30.068-04:002009-09-21T15:18:30.068-04:00If Hitler will ultimately be saved, then there is ...If Hitler will ultimately be saved, then there is hope for ME.<br />Shalom - Nancy <br /><br />Mercy will triumph over judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-49278740413935068902009-08-06T14:18:10.014-04:002009-08-06T14:18:10.014-04:00The truth is we don't know if Hitler is alread...The truth is we don't know if Hitler is already 'saved' according to the view that one must repent and accept Jesus as their Savior. We don't know if he repented and asked for forgiveness before he died. So to all those caterwauling about the universalist position that Hitler can't be saved - he may already be, by your reckoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-73347519468441725902008-10-08T10:16:00.000-04:002008-10-08T10:16:00.000-04:00I continue to be impressed by Talbott's a assertio...I continue to be impressed by Talbott's a assertion that God can't love any of us if He doesn't love all of us. If God loves Hitler (and that seems indisputable if you believe the Bible)then He'll save Hitler. And if he saves Hitler, He'll save you and me!! What a liberating truth!!Bobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10583034169148538454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-4609099832829681002008-10-08T10:15:00.000-04:002008-10-08T10:15:00.000-04:00I continue to be impressed by Talbott's a assertio...I continue to be impressed by Talbott's a assertion that God can't love any of us if He doesn't love all of us. If God loves Hitler (and that seems indisputable if you believe the Bible)then He'll save Hitler. And if he saves Hitler, He'll save you and me!! What a liberating truth!!Bobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10583034169148538454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-5946719155659045782008-09-27T20:43:00.000-04:002008-09-27T20:43:00.000-04:00Rachel makes a similar point I've made before. Th...Rachel makes a similar point I've made before. The way I see it is indirectly we're shown that God's saving paul was an act on par to God saving hitler.<BR/><BR/>Paul was a murderer putting people to death. Was he not persecuting the body of Christ.<BR/><BR/>Paul states to timothy he was a murderer and a blasphemer. And as rachel states, he claims to be among the worst. No doubt Paul saw himself in such a way. I believe God demonstrated his love to the world showing that men like adolph hitler are in his hands. He could indeed break them of their arrogance and take something SO VILE into something SO WONDERFUL.<BR/><BR/>AugAuggybendoggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01730767940271614636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-29045085224009064532008-09-26T03:55:00.000-04:002008-09-26T03:55:00.000-04:00I can understand the visceral reaction to thinking...I can understand the visceral reaction to thinking that Hitler might be saved (and maybe "limosine liberals" like me don't have enough of one), but at the end of the day I have to come to the conclusion that if grace is for me it's for anyone. We're supposed to view ourselves as chief among sinners, right? In that case, I better hope universalism is true 'cause I'm last in line.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425507979635780287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-78106032196899033012008-09-22T18:52:00.000-04:002008-09-22T18:52:00.000-04:00Gregory:To help with the unambiguity, I recommend ...Gregory:<BR/><BR/>To help with the unambiguity, I recommend being more specific about <I>what</I> Hitler is supposed to be being saved from. (e.g. "Will Hitler be saved <I>from his sin?"</I> "If Hitler is to be saved <I>from his sin</I> it will involve not merely reconciliation with God...")<BR/><BR/><BR/>I agree with Denver, with the proviso that I am not inclined to consider Hitler's sins to be worse than my own ('small' though my sins may be reckoned in other ways). But I expect Denver would agree with that: sins nonetheless, etc.<BR/><BR/>To add a bit to Gregory's reply to Alex: in principle and in practice the salvation of any responsible agent from sin occurs post-damnation. God condemns my sins quite utterly. He may put off the <I>punishment</I> for a time--or He might not! (The OT and NT both contain admonitions that the punishment could easily begin pre-mortem; the OT maybe moreso than the NT by proportion, as one might expect considering that the doctrine of the soul's continuing existence post-mortem wasn't very developed for a long time.)<BR/><BR/>As the Anon said, though: our God is a consuming fire, and Hitler will (like <I>all</I> of us, I would aver, following Mark 9:49-50) go through the fire; that we may all have the one Holy Spirit of God (i.e. the everlasting fire) in our souls and so be at peace with one another.<BR/><BR/><BR/>All that being said: so long as Hitler doesn't repent, God must be leading him to repentance. Forgiveness cannot be completed and fulfilled yet.<BR/><BR/><BR/>(It should be noted that critics often misrepresent our position by pretending we ignore element 4. That has happened recently on this board in regard to a particular debator. {s})<BR/><BR/>JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-84350529476017584692008-09-22T12:44:00.000-04:002008-09-22T12:44:00.000-04:00AlexCould the change not take place post-mortem? I...Alex<BR/><BR/>Could the change not take place post-mortem? Indeed, post-damnation?<BR/><BR/>GMGregory MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06753627679140008475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-44044019706366835002008-09-22T06:51:00.000-04:002008-09-22T06:51:00.000-04:00Couldn't we all, just as well, insert our own name...Couldn't we all, just as well, insert our own name in place of Hitler's in the list of 1-5? We all have our own 'victims' too. While his sins were far, far worse that ours, they are sins none the less and require repentance and deliverance that only God can give.Denverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221095781026448468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-28999964464467571052008-09-21T20:48:00.000-04:002008-09-21T20:48:00.000-04:00Our God is a consuming fire...Hitler, like most of...Our God is a consuming fire...Hitler, like most of us, will go through the fire and grace will abound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-1425697537293042062008-09-21T11:42:00.000-04:002008-09-21T11:42:00.000-04:00time to live is what I meant to say in that senten...time to <I>live</I> is what I meant to say in that sentence.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349302232084350190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3132311165895432788.post-76626954930988828472008-09-21T11:41:00.000-04:002008-09-21T11:41:00.000-04:00I guess the only objection could be that he probab...I guess the only objection could be that he probably didn't have enough time to "a transformed life in the Spirit" if that is indeed a requirement to being saved.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349302232084350190noreply@blogger.com